thanks stra & jmo, will try to post up a late P4 but a cheap one as the card is pretty weak. Jmo, I think the #3 is best served laying off the 10 & 11 and hope he has the goods in the stretch. I think 10 & 11 are cheap speed in the race, thats why i think the unknown 6 has a good shot and 9 first with trainer. BOL tonight.