Lloyd, Shay..are you guys still stalking me? You guys are the laughing stock of the whole forum. I mean...everyone talks about you guys. All you do is move from thread to thread talking useless chatter. Lloyd pumpkin...ts basic math buddy. Yes, counting correctly gives the casinos negative implied odds. This is all but an ATM. You want me to explain expected value for you? You want me to use the example of flipping a coin like I did my 12 year old? Lloyd...you don't bet, you don't even have an account open anywhere. Quit playing fantasy land and go back to your minimum wage job. Shay...your posted numbers HERE ON PREGAME ARE AS FOLLOWS... If you bet just $100 per game on your picks, you would be down -$204,700. That's on your profile here at pregame.Its a FACT. Lloyd...do you need me to explain to you how I came up with that number? You might want to get out your calculator. Because we will be doing ...wait for it....multiplication tables. With you guys numbers,here's what I will do....you pick the sports, the games, and the times, and I will fade your action. Lets do $5K. We can put it in escrow. Oh wait, you don't have $5K do you? I tell you what, if you can show me that both of you have at least 2 open betting accounts with a major online site, that are both funded with at least $1K in them, that has been open more than a day obviously...I will give you $5,000. GIVE IT TO YOU. Can't can you? You see...you don't bet. You are like every other losing gambler out there. You have an excuse. You say "if I had a bankroll..I could win!" No you can't. Its trash like you, failures in life like the both of you that are ruining this forum. It could be a great place for people to learn and for established bettors to pass great ideas between each other. But broke wannabes like you guys are screwing things up.