I was referring to Charles as a great player not to win, and how "its hard to do so", but i guess you didn't read that part, or just read what u want, So in YOUR opinion then Byron how do you think they'll do?.....Cause my argument was Lebron and company WINNING a Championship in Cleveland"......I posted what they had Last year on the bench....and now they've gutted their team and you expect them to win a championship? PLease tellll me thats what YOU are arguing?...becuz I still haven't heard you say Cleveland will WIN the title......Oh and he has 2 rings that he won with Wade's Team...Magic won with his Team...Jordon won with his team..Bird With his team. Koby with his Team....none of those players mentioned won by going and bringin players with him...to try n win....on ANOTHER team....hey he won congrats.....oh and if you think the NBA Didn't have something to do with the "best player" winning a couple of titles your Dilusional.....refs cater to what the commish wants....more calls in their favour throughout the playoffs to get to the final...And the football reference was to the hype of a team...that didn't do jack.....everything on paper always looks great.........Additions can look promising....i just dont see it.........THats my point