havent purchased any plays yet ,but i do plan on it for football season, i give u props for that rj thats good deal

I wonder if there's a prop bet on Arizona errors, unearned runs given up by the AZ staff.  I'd take the over with my life savings.  What an ugly, awful team.  I'm beginning to think they're the worst in the bigs.

Tony George:

This is going to occur in the Big 12 between me and Spartan...I have long been known as a Big 12 specialist, long before Spartan showed up on the scene...we may be on the same side or against each other, and the customer who gets both packages will be confused.....I guess follow the hottest guy. 

I yesterday Had Chicago White aSox and Colorado as part of a 3 game pack. Both won.... I commented in detail on a post where a guy put out Arizona and Chicago.  I explained why Arizona was not a good bet and Chicago was a good bet  without revealing there were my plays...so sometimes some of us cappers do comment on games we have ...I choose not reveal it, unless I have stated in a sales hook I am on particular game. 

I ALWAYS state reasons why, in a write up why I like the game.  I keep it to 100 words or less, because at days end..guys want the play, not war and peace for a write-up, I but I have always, since posting on the Internet, stated why I am taking a game...Sometimes a 2 line deal, sometimes a detailed paragraph...depending on time contraints and when the games start and ect....

Some guys go bizerk on writeups and some guys do not...Guess I am in the middle,  I do like to tell my paying clients why I am putting them on a play...I think if they pluk down their hard earned cash, they should get the reasoning, ...just a business model I have always incorporated.

Tony, what you did there is great and I understand what you mean by not going bizerk on write-ups. I guess what I'm really getting at is when I purchase a play and the Pro hasn't given any reasoning for his play and I have a strong lean the other way I would like some way to be available to me to ask that Pro to explain his pick and to see what he see's different in the game than I do, and get that info before the game starts. Since I am the one paying for the pick I do believe I'm entitled to the reasoning behind it. In the long run this process can help me become a better handicapper and maybe look at certain angles in games that I've been over looking. I think overall that the Pros here are very helpful and give out A LOT of useful info. I just believe that on game days there should be some way that we can get specific questions answered without compromising the Pros' plays. I know during the NCAA basketball tournament I was pulling my hair out (and I don't have much left) LOL with frustration at not being able to find out about games.

RJ_Bell:

Pool, thoughtful feedback like yours adds great value to the fourms.

Concering buying opposite sides of games, we have now launched Opposite Side Insurance - a Pregame.com-only program which removes all such risk.

When it comes to analysis, most Pros provide it . . . some don't. I personally very much like analysis (understanding why a capper likes a game offers great value) . . . Pregame.com's goal is to provide a platform which allows the best handicappers to contribute - it's great when providing analysis is part of that . . . but for those who it's not, I'd rather them skip the write up than offer an effort they don't feel strongly about.

About the experts being limited by having a best bet on a game . . . On some occassions there will only be information that is for sale, but most the time the Pros are especially good at being generous with their time and expertise . . . in fact, that is the one area that no other site even comes close with: community access to the professionals.

 

RJ, The insurance is a great idea! I just wish I would have become aware of it a couple of days ago. LOL.......

 Pool, Of course you are right and I sincerely apolgize for not doing more actual write ups with my releases I will try and do better at that, you have my word on it.

While it is no excuse and not meant to be presented as such, let me briefly explain my reasoning so to speak, or my reality as it pertains to this specific issue. Because of time issues I must contend with I do most of my actual handicapping very late at night, or early morning. Typically between midnight and 3-4 am. If you could just ride shotgun with me for a couple of days you would clearly see my point. My office at the house has a nice sized desk that is literally littered at the conclusion of the session with notes and scratches I've made on paper as I scan around. Number one priority to me is to find my guys the best game or games available in my view and I spend a ton of time looking for any edge or angle I can find to support my release. I suppose it's kind of like subscribing to the old theory, don't show me the damn birth, I just want to see the baby. 

I'm just being totally candid with you brother, once I am finished and comfortable to enter my package it is usually some obscene hour and I am tired and ready to hit the sack because the same awaits tomorrow. As long as I feel comfortable with myself I've made my best decisions possible I feel good about it. Like I said, you are right, once you have made the purchase you want an idea into my train of thought leading to my conclusions. I'll try and do better.

I was not aware VR was totally opposite on the White Sox game, I'm glad I won the thing. He's a sharp cat and I myself would have been curious to his reasoning because he is a fantastic handicapper. I won't ask which side you went with.

I know that very well might now have been the answer you were searching for but all I can tell you is that it was an honest one.

Thanks Pool!

I don't mean to needlessly toot Pregame's horn, but this is an incredible thread...that a member could start a conversation like this, and have some of the top cappers on the site, as well as the site prez come out and respond individually is really impressive.

Dan, the Nats are the worst team..I may bet the Dbacks tomorrow with Haren on the mound..he is the real deal.

Pool, interesting topic.  I don't really have much substance to add except I am a big Fresno St fan and have a ton on info on them.  We will make some money their as well.

spartan:

 Pool, Of course you are right and I sincerely apolgize for not doing more actual write ups with my releases I will try and do better at that, you have my word on it.

While it is no excuse and not meant to be presented as such, let me briefly explain my reasoning so to speak, or my reality as it pertains to this specific issue. Because of time issues I must contend with I do most of my actual handicapping very late at night, or early morning. Typically between midnight and 3-4 am. If you could just ride shotgun with me for a couple of days you would clearly see my point. My office at the house has a nice sized desk that is literally littered at the conclusion of the session with notes and scratches I've made on paper as I scan around. Number one priority to me is to find my guys the best game or games available in my view and I spend a ton of time looking for any edge or angle I can find to support my release. I suppose it's kind of like subscribing to the old theory, don't show me the damn birth, I just want to see the baby. 

I'm just being totally candid with you brother, once I am finished and comfortable to enter my package it is usually some obscene hour and I am tired and ready to hit the sack because the same awaits tomorrow. As long as I feel comfortable with myself I've made my best decisions possible I feel good about it. Like I said, you are right, once you have made the purchase you want an idea into my train of thought leading to my conclusions. I'll try and do better.

I was not aware VR was totally opposite on the White Sox game, I'm glad I won the thing. He's a sharp cat and I myself would have been curious to his reasoning because he is a fantastic handicapper. I won't ask which side you went with.

I know that very well might now have been the answer you were searching for but all I can tell you is that it was an honest one.

Thanks Pool!

Spartan, I hope you are none of the other Pros take this as some kind of personel jab or dig because it difinitely isn't ment as such. I just think this is an area that can be improved on and help everyone involved. By the way you are one of my favorite Pros. I'll tell you in that game I decided to go with VR because of the insane streak he has been on and I didn't have a feel one way or the other on it.  But after I thought about it awhile I remembered that KC and STL are the 2 teams that you seem to have the best insight on. But last night one of your 3* was on STL and VR had a 2* on Cinn. I leaned STL in that one because STL had hit Bailey very well in the past so I went with you. So they evened out for me. I realize all the hard work the Pros put in on making their picks. But then again that's why your successful and able to make money selling your picks. I just want to help make this forum even better than it already is.

dfresh:

Dan, the Nats are the worst team..I may bet the Dbacks tomorrow with Haren on the mound..he is the real deal.

Pool, interesting topic.  I don't really have much substance to add except I am a big Fresno St fan and have a ton on info on them.  We will make some money their as well.

dfresh:  This is what we need from our forum posters. The more posters we can get that have firsthand knowledge of particular teams the better it will be for the forum as a whole.

I hereby recognize this post for a Gold Star per the Pregame Constitution's goal of informing and entertaining ourcommunity.

Pool  - Here's why you got this:  "I (Pool) just want to help make this forum even better than it already is.". You started this thread because we've been discussing similar sorts of things the past couple of days. 

You've just earned an entry into our Most Valuable Poster Drawing for a chance at $1000 in cash!There?s no limit to the number of entries you can earn, so keep up thegood work!

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Here are the types we want: make sure to message that fact as much aspossible:

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pool:

The biggest asset of any forum is the amount and accuracy of information exchanged. At Pregame we not only have many solid posters to provide insight on particular games and teams but a large pool of professional handicappers who provide a lot of info and insight about handicapping. While you can always find a group of solid poster at most sites you won't find a great pool of professional handicappers like Pregame has. In general these pros do and have provided a ton of insight on handicapping and the world of sports betting. However I see one big drawback with our pro handicappers. I'm not sure of the best way to correct the situation so everyone benifits and it's not a drawback to the Pros. I would love to hear everyones opinions at the end.

The one time we need information the most is on game day and about specifics such as teams, umpires, players, etc. The one problem with that is a particular Pro my have that game as a pick that day and not want to share anything about it in public. I understand that. Let me give an example. Everyone knows Spartan is VERY good on games involving Missouri. He can provide info that just can't be found anywhere else. In NCAA basketball I'm like that with Southeast Missouri State (SEMO). And please I'm not trying to say I'm as good as Spartan (I'm not). But when it comes to this team I can provide info that you can't find anywhere else. Now on game day if I have a play on SEMO I'll do a short write-up and be around to answer any questions that someone might have about the team or game. On days Missouri plays the odds are that Spartan will have a play either on or against them, not always but usually. Sometimes there will be some questions that I really would like answered but since I figure that he has a play on the game I won't even bother to ask because I'm sure he won't come in the forums and discuss a game that he is probable selling. I know some of you will say just buy his pick. That's why he's here. This is just one example. Each Pro is different in their knowledge and no one can go around buying everyones games each day.

I know everyone is getting tired of me talking about write-ups but let me give you another example from this week. I'm on VR's bet like a pro program. Thursday VR only had one play. A 3* play on KC +1.5. Spartan had a 3* play also that night so I decided to go ahead and purchase it. Of course his play was CWS -1.5. The exact opposite of VR. Now I didn't have a feeling one way or the other on the game. But the bad thing was neither one had a write-up on the game giving their reasons behind the pick to help sway me one way or the other. Sometimes the Pros have write-ups and sometimes they don't. I FIRMLY belive that the Pro's owe it to their clients to give the reasoning behind their selections. We also need more of a free flowing exchange of ideas and info on game days without comprimising the Pros' picks. Please, let's hear some ideas.