Info Worth Betting |

» Blogs Home

Post Archive


Search

About vegas-runner

VEGAS-RUNNER has moved "Steam" for almost every major betting syndicate through the years and was a well known "runner" in Las Vegas for many years before taking all that experience and knowledge and eventually began moving his own...

Pregame Wire

Pregame Cheat Sheet

Sportsbook Spy

Vegas-Runner (see all posts from)

BOOKS FOLLOW TREND...REDWINGS -280 Tonight !!

by vegas-runner on 06/02/2008 3:32 PM

First off, I really want to say that I am just so glad that we went ahead and laid -155 prior to the series on the Red Wings as a Best Bet because they have really shown so far in the Stanley Cup Finals that they are the best team in the NHL this year...and more imortantly for bettors, that -155 was an absolute gift.

Coming in, I just really felt that public perception was the main reason for the low price the oddsmakers threw out there because they were well aware that the betting public was going to back the Penguins as a dog...so there was no need to give them any value. In fact, the Penguins were billed as the future, and the only question left to answer was whether or not their time had come. Well truth is, as I began to break this series up, I truely felt that it was a huge mis-match and that the Redwings were just such a more dominant team who had also found their #1 goalie during the Nashville series when it was tied up and have since showed why they had the best record this year in the NHL.

So now we find ourselves awaiting Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Finals, with the Redwings holding a commanding 3-1 lead and with the opportunity to end it this evening. Unfortunately for myself and those who wager with me, we find ourselves having to sit this one out because we get to cash with a Redwings win, and with the price offered as high as it is...it just don't make financial sense to take them again tonight, even though I do believe, like the oddsmakers that it ends in Detroit later this evening.

I say that because it is obvious to me that the oddsmakers really just want to collect all that series money wagered on the Pens and call it a year, which is why they have set the odds against a Game 6 so high. I mean, we are talking about a team who was expected to have a legit shot at winning this entire thing, and now, facing a critical elimination game...you can get them at +220 at some shops. The books do not want any money on Detroit tonight and I don't blame them, and even though we have 3 games to win our series bet...history is definately on the books, and our side that it ends tonight...

Here are the facts...teams who have taken the exact course that the Redwings have in this series...meaning they won the first 2 at home and then lost Gm3 on the road, but came back and won Gm4 there...well those teams have gone 39-2 (.951) in GAME 5 of the NHL Playoffs...so you can now see why the books are offering such a tempting price to back the Penguins tonight...but the truth is, when you look at those type of past results, one can easily argue that going ahead and laying the -280 is actually a gift, and I really couldn't argue with them because isn't that what Value actually is....

For myself and my clients...we will sit this one out and enjoy what should be another great game between these 2, and as much as I would have no problem taking the Redwings tonight...like I said, our series wager on them makes that uneccessary...but believe me, I still wanted to make sure I do the work and capp the game like normal and even though I feel I have a winner, I will pass...because we now have the comfort of knowing that even if the Pens defy probability and somehow win Game 5 Tonight...well then there will be another rare feat awaiting them...because the Series Record for Teams who have taken this exact road in the Finals is 22-1...and that is in all sports with a 7gm Final...

So enjoy tonight's Stanley Cup Finals Game 5...and know that although at -280, the Redwings seems to be out of most bettors price range...win or lose, I can honestly say after breaking this game down that there actually is more Value in laying the chalk, than taking the generous price on the dog since history shows it should end tonight...but then again, thats easy to say when we only had to lay -155 that it happens....best of luck, and hopefully I'm not able to write about the price on Game 6...VR


email this |

8 Comments:

 

posted by Matty O'Shea on 06/02/2008 10:01 PM

Any idea how much bettors lost on this one?

 

posted by Bostonsports4life on 06/02/2008 10:31 PM

Pens in 3OT, awsome game. can't wait for game 6

 

posted by oopie on 06/03/2008 6:20 AM

Great game. Too bad I went to bed after the 2nd OT. But I TiVo'ed the rest and watched it this morning after lil' Oop decided to play Superfly Snuka on me in bed. Nothing better than waking up to a 2 yr old banging heads with you.

Game 6 will be fun!

 

posted by HVACDAWG on 06/03/2008 7:21 AM

I'M NOT REALLY INTO HOCKEY , BUT LAST NIGHT I WATCHED ONE HELLOFA HOCKEY GAME. I ONLY WATCHED FROM THE 3RD PERIOD ON ,BUT THAT WAS A ONE NON STOP THRILL RIDE. EVEN THOUGH I LOST MY BET , I GOT MY MONEYS WORTH.

 

posted by RocEnite on 06/03/2008 8:42 AM

Read and enjoyed your post.I have a question that anyone can answer for me.How do you find value at -280.I just do not see it.I will pass before laying any money at -280.Risk vs reward and the risk to me does not justify the reward here.Maybe that is my horse racing experince comming thru.

Am I wrong here??

 

posted by vegas-runner on 06/03/2008 9:40 AM

Roc, I wouldn't say you are wrong at all...but I will say that when it comes to value in this business, I see too many bettors who automatically assume that you have to be getting "plus" money on your bet for there to be value...and when I was a runner betting for some of the most respected and successful sports bettors this market has ever known, I was shown that nothing could be further from the truth...

When the sharps speak about value, the only thing that they consider is whether or not the price offered is different than the price they set for the same game...

So if after completing thier capping and creating a number...does the market offer value ???

And if I complete my work and conclude that the CUBS have a 62% chance of winning the game...then since the break-even point for 62% is -163....if the books had a line of -150, then that means according to my work, there is "Value" at laying -150, while obviously there is a huge lack of "value" for anyone taking +140 on the dog...

This was explained to me perfectly one night when I heard they were trying to get down as much as they could on a boxing match at -600 or better...and I kept hearing that if they were successful at getting the majority down at -500 like they were doing, then they would have even more value than originally expected...

That did come as a shock to me...because how can someone who I considered so sharp be saying that being able to lay "Only" -500 provided incredible value and at that price they were willing to take as much action as they can get...

And after it was explained to me, exactly what value meant, I never looked at it the same again...I have since learned that the only thing that I need to consider and matters is whether or not the price being offered isn't what I think it should be...because in the end, that is what seperates all of us as handicappers...

We will all look at the same info, and yet we still manage to interpret it differently...and that is the same with value...each handicapper will look at it differently and like I said above...how they do so does not make it right or wrong...instead, I feel its up to the individual capper and whether or not they have been successful at finding value which determines one's ability...and not neccessarily price that does it...best of luck, VR

 

posted by RocEnite on 06/03/2008 10:13 AM

Thanks,not much different than setting your own odds when playing the horses and seeing something you had listed at 5-2 in your own line then seeing on the board at 5-1..Hence there is the value.

Thanks vegas runner...

 

posted by aiken on 06/03/2008 12:37 PM

huh? there is actually more value laying the chalk than

taking the generous price on the dog !!!!

If your screen name does not appear below, you are NOT logged-in.
You CAN still comment without an account (simply type-in name)
Login or create a free account for many advantages!
(required)  
(required)  
Featured posts from Vegas-Runner


Add Pregame Blogs to your list of bookmarks Subscribe to the RSS feed of Pregame Blogs (quick & easy)
Pregame > Blogs > Vegas-Runner

PregameForums.com: free sports betting picks, sportsbook gambling tips