RJ Bell (see all posts from)

See; it's fixed. There's people behind the scenes orchestrating a lot of these outcomes.

I may be wrong but does anyone think that was a touchdown.

Was it a touchdown?

I will be telling this story of this game for the rest of my life. Can you imagine the two reactions from people in casinos? First the TD and then when it was nullified? That's why a report just came out that said you are 54 percent more likely to kill yourself if you live in Las Vegas. lol I knew there was no illegal forward pass. I watched the play 100 times. Fishy to say the least.

I wish I was in a Vegas casino to witness that.

I think some of the touts work for them too. Especially the ones who give out free plays. Some guys are known to swing action.

What am I saying!

I think?

Come one; I'm not naive.

I am glad I was on the chargers. There was no reason for them to even look at the play. The NFL will have a talk with those refs.

I want blood!

www.youtube.com/watch

PITTSBURGH (AP) -The first 11-10 game in NFL history shouldn't have ended that way, referee Scott Green said after a last-minute touchdown was errantly taken away from the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday.

The officiating mistake didn't affect the outcome since the Steelers still would have won, but the touchdown would have changed the score to 17-10 - or, more likely, 18-10, since the teams were lined up for an extra-point try that was never attempted.

On first-and-10 from San Diego's 21 with 5 seconds remaining, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers threw a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson over the middle for 3 yards. Tomlinson turned and made a handoff-type lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers , who attempted to pitch the ball to a teammate only to have safety Troy Polamalu scoop it up and score from the 12.

Both teams left the field on what looked to be a game-ending play, but were called back by the officials for the extra-point attempt. At that point, the replay official called for a review.

After watching the play, Green initially announced the ruling on the field was upheld and the touchdown counted. But the officiating crew huddled again before the extra-point attempt and changed the call, deciding that an illegal forward pass by Rivers should've ended the play.

Green, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said that call was errant - even though his explanation for the confusion was almost as confusing as the play itself.

''We should have let the play go through in the end, yes,'' Green said. ''It was misinterpreted that instead of killing the play, we should have let the play go through.''

Green said the confusion occurred because there was a misunderstanding about whether Rivers' pass or Tomlinson's lateral was in question.

''The first pass was the one that was illegal, but it only kills the play if it hits the ground,'' Green said. ''That was incorrect to have killed it at that point. The ruling should have let the play go on. That's just the way that it played out. We believe the second pass (by Tomlinson) was legal.''

Green was asked why, since the first pass by Rivers did not hit the ground, the officials decided after huddling that the play should have ended there.

''We didn't kill it on the field,'' Green said. ''After (the) discussion we decided ... there was some confusion over which pass we were talking about and it was decided that it was the second pass that was illegal that did hit the ground and therefore we killed the play there.''

However, the officials realized afterward they erred.

''I know,'' Green said. ''The rule was misinterpreted.''

Asked about the officiating - the Steelers drew 115 yards in penalties to the Chargers' 5 - Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin declined to comment.

''No, I have never seen a game ended with 13-to-1 in penalties, but I am not answering questions about the officiating,'' Tomlin said.

The call affected betting on the game since the Steelers were 5-point favorites and would have covered if the touchdown counted.

Rule 8 Forward Pass, Backward Pass, Fumble

Section 1 Forward Pass

Article 1

The offensive team may make one forward pass from behind the line during

each play from scrimmage provided the ball does not cross the line and return behind

line prior to the pass.

(a) Any other forward pass by either team is illegal and is a foul by the passing team.

(b) When any illegal pass is caught or intercepted, the ball may be advanced and the

penalty declined.

Not to be a grammar punk but there is a mistake in your first line...Should read:

An Estimated $64 Million Swing in Favor of Bookies and Las Vegas since you cite $100 million as the number of bets made world-wide, not just in Vegas.

There's an old richard Pryor movie, I think it's "Stir Crazy", where he's watching a basketball game and something happens in the game and he says "this ain't real", like he's watching wrestling.  It's a funny line and I used to think what if he's right and everything is fixed?  Well, between the ref in the LSU - South Carolina game making an open field tackle and that debacle last night in Pittsburg, I'm really starting to wonder what the hell is going.  Maybe Richard Pryor was right, "this ain't real".  

Horrible 2-4 day in the NFL and had big money riding on SD.  Was eating dinner with the play happended.  Almost choked.  I mean holy shit.  When they game back and overturned (which I thought was wrong) - I was relieved.  BTW, WTF happened to Atl., Balt., & the Jags... oh well, one of those weeks.  I lost by 1 point in three games this week CFB too.

Boy they are getting blatant with it now!

IN BAD ECONOMIC TIMES-----THIS STUFF GETS WORSE-----CASINOS ARE MAKING LESS MONEY---AND ARE GOING TO MAKE IT UP SOMEWHERE.

I got paid!!!!!

I lost 5*s on that Call. Congrats on TR's GOY!

Pingback from  A $32 Million Dollar Swing « Sons of Bill Simmons

What's the sense in having a review and than overturn their  call.  As I say lots of times there are calls that are in favor of the casinos and some one is getting paid where we can't see.  

RJ maybe am naive,but I always believed in the intregue of the game. My dad as always said some games are FIXED. I would tell him he's crazy. But after watching that game and having money on Pitt. I can now agree with my dad, THAT GAME WAS FIXED.... The guys in "THE BOOTH" called that the Refs on the field called it a TD and when the booth and the ref  talked and looked at the replay, the pts. were taken off the board?  TVO-ing it about 1,000 times, NO WAY was that a "FORWARD PASS" either one of them, so would love to know "WHO SAW A FORWARD PASS" to take 6pts. of  the board and it didn't effect the outcome of the "GAME".  To boot how bad would it  be for the Steelers if they would enter in a tie breaker situation  and lose by 6 pts.

THEY CALLED VEGAS TO FIND OUT HOW TO MAKE THE CALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHA ! NO I WASN'T ON THE GAME BUT WAS THINKING IT AFTER THE CALL WAS MADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pingback from  ProFootballTalk.com  - GREEN CALL RESULTS IN $64 MILLION SWING

No fix fellas. Vegas is a small fry in all this. Local books and the offshores are the real players now.

Sucks, but fix? No way.

I was just talking about this on local radio in Pittsburgh.  It's too bad Pittsburgh had the holding call on Willie Parker's TD run that would have made it 15-10 and gave everybody their money back LOL

Pingback from  The National Football Post |   Blown Call Results In Huge Financial Swing

C'mon JD------Lot of the book and offshore money is vegas money. You know that.

Vegas has no pull. Unless you staying at the hotel, how many books will let you bet more than a dime?

Exactly......

The "fix" thing is baffling. They do not all  meet in the bat cave to try and fix games.

I got screwed, too.  I'm just a small player but it still hurts the same--especially when you're trying to salvage something from a crappy day.  The extremely confused explanation given by the zebra is tantamount to no explanation at all.  No doubt, this one stinks to the high heavens of rotten fish.  I am waiting for the NFL to have a chat with the zebras who screwed us all over; may they get their crooked asses booted right out of the league.

Don't worry guys, you'll get it back Thursday night when the Steelers host the Bengals LOL

I really hate reality shows. Most are pretty very lame, with constant back biting, lying, and non-existant

actually, the opening line was 3.5-4. it went high as 5 and settled around 4 at kickoff.

Here is the lines from Bookmaker/CRIS:

11/09 08:35 PM +4 -110 -4 -110

11/09 08:39 PM +3.5 -110 -3.5 -110

11/10 12:29 AM +4 -110 -4 -110

11/10 04:10 PM +4.5 -110 -4.5 -110

11/10 07:07 PM +5 -110 -5 -110

11/12 04:41 PM +5.5 -110 -5.5 -110

11/14 10:46 AM +5 -110 -5 -110

11/14 06:48 PM +5.5 -110 -5.5 -110

11/14 09:00 PM +5 -110 -5 -110

11/16 12:34 PM +4.5 -110 -4.5 -110

11/16 03:52 PM +5 -110 -5 -110

11/16 03:53 PM +4 -110 -4 -110

11/16 04:03 PM +4.5 -110 -4.5 -110

11/16 04:19 PM +4 -110 -4 -110

Pingback from  REFS OVERRULE WORST BACKDOOR COVER IN NFL HISTORY: CONSPIRACY THEORISTS GO WILD « Graney and The Pig’s Blog

One casino reported 10mil on the game, and most on the steelers. JD, the major casinos in vegas will let you bet any amount you can back up with cash or credit line, ask Charles Barkley. I say no way this game goes down like it did without conspiracy from higher ups. The refs know they can be prosecuted and fired if acting on their own, and 13-1 calls against the Steelers doesn't happen by accident. This game was a rig---lots of "experts" had it as a game of the year--very well set up. Where there is big money involved--greed begats corruption.  Can I prove it? NO. Can you prove me wrong? NO!   This is why  I stick mainly to the college game.

Holy shit; you guys really backed me up on this one. I like what Sonny Palermo said. It reminds me of the NCAA CBB Finals back in 1977 or was it 1978. I think NC vs NCS. Every one I knew who bet had the fave laying 2.5. I call the guy with the plays I got. Give him them & he said "Don't worry about it. Wait; you'll see". Right before the tip, he passes off his action to his guy. But by now, the line dropped to 1.5 or 2. I was 22 in college back then and couldn't believe what had just happened. The guy passed off all the action & probably all of his too & the guys who took the fave lost. From that point on, I knew that there something going on. Look at Espn on gameday with their touting! You can make a fortune just going against whoever they tout.  "The ESPN Factor"

"batphone" in the "batcave".........classic lol...................

Barkley is a rare breed. Be an average Joe and bet that. Vegas does not like catering to sharps. Very few books anymore do.

Am not saying VEGAS FIXED IT, but I still think that someone made that call happen to reverse that TD.  No way with the booth/ Refs this was a "BLOWN CALL"  game was OVER outcome already decided. Head Ref already signaled TD, then something happened other then CONFUSION.......

the thing is, if you are going to fix an NFL game that is a MAIN TV GAME, you pick the last play? Or anything that is a booth review? You call an offsides or something.

honestly, not sure how a "fix" is even debatable.

I'm sure they don't meet in a "bat cave" or anywhere else. You got me laughing my ass off now.  But, come on, Johnny. They all got to "know" each other. Tell me that there isn't someone "in the know"

They called a holding penalty JD when Parker was running in for a TD that would have made the score 15-10, but it was definitely a legitimate call.

sure there is, but the books and casinos have so much money they make on a day, one game means nothing to them. a crooked ref maybe. but even than, he would have to be not only crooked but a moron to make THAT THE FIX. lol.

you steelers backers need to get over it.

Pingback from  genebromberg-com-Ad

Can anybody name this tune...

Take My Touchdown Away

By Peter St. Cyr

Watching every motion

It's the referee's game

on the 100 yard field.

The umpire knows no shame

Fumbling and returning

To the other side of the field.

Watching in slow motion

As you turn around and say

 Take the touchdown away

 Take the touchdown away

Watching I keep waiting

Still anticipating seven

never hesitating

To become the hated ones

Punting and returning

To the end zone on the other side of the field

Watching in slow motion

as you turn around and say

 Take the touchdown away

 Take the touchdown away

Let's go the video tape

I saw you clip away.

When the video tape plays I call you

foul and turn to hear you way

It's only for the season It's unfair

Watching in slow motion.

 Take the touchdown away

 Take the touchdown away.

NEW YORK (TICKER) - In the wake of a bizarre finish to Sunday's game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Diego Chargers, the NFL on Monday said it is looking to take steps to prevent a similar officiating mistake.

The league also issued a statement Monday to clarify the officials' incorrect ruling on final play of the game, which reversed an apparent touchdown by Pittsburgh safety Troy Polamalu in the Steelers' 11-10 victory.

While the score would not have affected the outcome, it resulted in chaos on the field and among gamblers worldwide as the officials first ruled it a touchdown and then reversed the decision due to an illegal forward pass.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail to PA SportsTicker that the league is having discussions "with the Competition Committee potential administrative improvements for replay that would help to prevent this type of mistake in the future.'

On the play in question, which caused an estimated $64 million swing in winning wagers on the contest, San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers flipped a short pass to LaDainian Tomlinson, who turned and flipped a lateral to wide receiver Chris Chambers.

Chamber then attempted to lateral backward but his errant throw bounced off the turf and was scooped up by Polamalu, who carried it into the end zone for an apparent 17-10 lead.

However, as the teams lined up for the extra point, the replay official called for a review of the play.

Following the initial review, referee Scott Green announced the ruling on the field stood and that the touchdown counted. However, the referees huddled again and determined that one of the laterals was an illegal forward pass, which would have ended the play and the game.

The problem, as Green explained after the game and the NFL expounded upon in its statement, was that the officials applied the ruling to the incorrect lateral.

"The officiating crew mistakenly determined that the backward pass that Polamalu legally recovered and returned for the touchdown was the pass that was reversed in replay to being forward and illegal,' the league said in the statement. "Therefore, the crew ruled that the ball was dead when it hit the ground and the play was over. (The actual illegal forward pass - Tomlinson to Chambers - did not hit the ground and therefore the play is allowed to continue.)

"If the situation had been handled properly, the defense (Pittsburgh) would have declined the penalty for an illegal forward pass from Tomlinson to Chambers and taken the touchdown.'

RJ Bell of Pregame.com, a Las Vegas-based sports information service, estimated that $100 million was bet on the contest, with approximately 66 percent of that money backing the Steelers, who were a five-point favorite.

Pingback from  NFL referees must have a soft spot for Las Vegas bookmakers | Bent Corner

Pingback from  sports illustrated lsu cover | Digg hot tags

Pingback from  Sportciety - A New Bailout Plan?

Revenge for the Chargers next week?

Actually, I should have said, will Steelers bettors get revenge LOL

Pingback from  The Blog Planet -   Facts About Online Betting Services